Updated 6-6-2009

Time Concept of the Vedas
Linear Versus Cyclic Time
The modern historical scientists’ linear concept of time strikingly resembles the traditional Judaeo-Christian concept, and it strikingly differs from that of the ancient Greeks and Indians. The cosmological ideas of several prominent Greek thinkers included a cyclic or episodic time similar to that found in the Vedic literature of India.

For example, we find in Hesiod’s Works and Days a series of ages (gold, silver, bronze, heroic, and iron) similar to the Indian yugas (ages). In both systems the quality of human life becomes progressively worse with each passing age. In On Nature, Empedocles speaks of cosmic time cycles. In Plato’s dialogues, there are descriptions of revolving time and recurring catastrophes destroying or nearly destroying human civilization. Aristotle said often in his works that the arts and sciences had been discovered many times in the past. In the teachings of Plato, Pythagoras, and Empedocles on the transmigration of the soul, the cyclical pattern extends to individual psycho-physical existence.

When Judaeo-Christian civilization arose in Europe, another understanding of time became prominent — time going forward in a straight line. Broadly speaking, this concept of time involves a unique act of cosmic creation, a unique appearance of human beings, and a unique history of salvation, culminating in a unique denouement, the last judgment. The drama occurs only once. Individually, the life of a human being mirrors this process; so, with some exceptions, orthodox Christian theologians rejected transmigration of the soul.

Modern historical sciences share the basic Judaeo-Christian assumptions about time. The universe we inhabit is a unique occurrence: Humans arose once on this planet; the history of our ancestors followed a unique though unpredestined evolutionary pathway; and the collapse of the “Big Bang” universe will bring everything to a close.

One is tempted to propose that the modern account of human evolution is a Judaeo-Christian heresy that covertly retains fundamental structures of Judaeo-Christian cosmology, eschatology, and salvation history while overtly dispensing with the scriptural account of divine intervention in the origin of species, including our own.

The Vedic Calculation of Time:  The Vedic concept of time is cyclic, rotating in cycles of four yugas:

Satya-yuga: 1,728,000 human years
Treta-yuga: 1,296,000 human years
Dvapara-yuga: 864,000 human years
Kali-yuga: 432,000 human years

This yuga cycle totaling 4.32 million years is also called a maha- or divya-yuga. One thousand such cycles, 4.32 billion years, make up one day of Lord Brahma, the demigod who governs the universe. Such a day of Brahma is called a kalpa. Each of Brahma’s nights lasts as long as his day. Life is manifest on earth only during the day of Brahma. With the onset of Brahma’s night, the entire universe is devastated and plunged into darkness. When another day of Brahma begins, life again becomes manifest.

Each kalpa (day of Brahma) is divided into 14 manvantara periods, each lasting 71 yuga cycles. Preceding the first and following each manvantara period is a junction (sandhya and sandhyamsa respectively) the length of a Satya-yuga (1,728,000 years). Each manvantara period ends with a partial devastation and starts with a partial recreation of the universe.

Brahma lives 100 years, consisting of 360 days and nights (the Vedic year is based on the cycles of the moon, not the sun). Thus Brahma lives 100 x 360 kalpas = 36,000 days plus 36,000 nights. In human years, Brahma’s life span lies far beyond our power of imagination: 72,000 x 4,320,000,000 human years = 311,040,000,000,000 human years.

The life span of Brahma is identical with the duration of the universe. This time span, called a maha-kalpa, is also the duration of one breathing in and out of Maha-Vishnu, the Personality of Godhead. Maha-Vishnu lies down within the ocean of causality and sleeps. He is eternal, and He dreams the material world in His cosmic slumber. When He exhales, all the universes emanate from the pores of His skin, and a Brahma is born within each universe. When He inhales, Brahma dies, and He sucks the universes into His mouth and destroys them. With each exhalation, the entire process starts anew. This cycle goes on eternally and is therefore also called eternal time.

The four yugas can also be calculated in demigod years:

Satya-yuga: 4,800 demigod years
Treta-yuga: 3,600 demigod years
Dvapara-yuga: 2,400 demigod years
Kali-yuga : 1,200 demigod years

Each six months of human time is one day for the demigods, and another six months is one night. When the sun is in the southern side of the universe (summer in the Southern Hemisphere), the demons have day and demigods have night, and vice versa when the sun is in the Northern Hemisphere. One of our years is one of their days, and 360 of our years is one of their years.

Most demigods maintain their positions within the universe for the duration of one manvantara (age of Manu). Because the demigods live for one day of Brahma, they change their positions each manvantara and become other demigods. Since 14 manvantaras (14 Manus) reign in one day of Brahma, a total of 14 x 360 x 100 = 504,000 Manus and demigods change shifts in the lifetime of Brahma.

The Four Yugas :

The Vedic Puranas describe the four yugas as follows:

Satya-yuga, or the golden age, is the ideal age, characterized by virtue, wisdom, religion, and practically no vice or ignorance. Humans do not hate or envy each other, nor do they ever feel anxious, fearful or threatened. They solely worship the one Supreme Personality of Godhead, hear the one Veda, obey the one law, and practice the one religious process — meditation on the Supreme. People live for about 100,000 years.

In Treta-yuga vice is introduced. The good qualities that humans had in Satya-yuga reduce by one third. People introduce religious rites, sacrifices, and ceremonies. They start to act with fruitive desires, expecting a reward for their work and religious activities. They live for a maximum of 10,000 years.

In Dvapara-yuga uprightness is only half of what it was in Satya-yuga. The Vedas are divided into four parts, and only a few people study them. Sensual desires and diseases begin to well up, and injustice spreads in human civilization. People live for a maximum of 1000 years.

In Kali-yuga only one fourth of human uprightness remains and gradually reduces to nil as the age progresses. We now live in Kali-yuga, the iron age, the most degraded of the four ages (kali literally means “quarrel and hypocrisy”).

In this age men are short lived and have less intelligence. They are especially lazy in performing their spiritual duties and exceedingly slow to surrender to the Lord. They are misled, frustrated and, above all, always disturbed. The qualities of religion (truthfulness, cleanliness, forbearance and mercy) and the qualities of life (intelligence, duration of life and bodily strength and beauty) all diminish. The maximum duration of human life is 100 years, and even that is rare.

Where We Are Now

According to the Vedic scriptures, we are now in the first day of the second half of the life of Brahma (even he gets old, and he is now 50). Within this day of Brahma, we are in the seventh manvantara (of Vaivasvata Manu), in the 28th turnover of its 71 yuga cycles.

Modern astronomy calculates the beginning of the present Kali-yuga at 2:27a.m. on February 20th in the year 3102 B.C.

Man has been on the earth a lot longer than generally accepted. Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka.It has been believed that there is no evidence to determine the dates of events in the Ramayanic era. Some historians of the past even refuse to acknowledge that Rama and other characters from the Ramayana even existed. However, Sage Valmiki has recorded the dates if events in detail, albeit by describing the positions of stars and planets. To decipher the astronomical encodings has not been a trivial task, and not many have attempted to do so. It should be noted that the ancient Indians had a prefect method of time measurement. They recorded the ‘tithis‘, days according to the nakshatra on which the moon prevailed, the months, the seasons and even the different Solstices. By therefore noting a particular arrangement of the astronomical bodies, which occur once in many thousand years, the dates of the events can be calculated. The correct astronomical records goes to show that Valmiki’s has chronicled an account of a true story and also, that the an advanced time measurement system was known to the Hindus (Indians) atleast 9000 years ago.

The recently discovered bridge is made of a chain of shoals 18 miles long. The bridge’s unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. Legends as well as archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge’s age is also almost equivalent.

This information confirms the mysterious legend of the Ramayana, recorded to have taken place in the Treta Yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago). At that time the inhabitants in the world were much more spiritual than they are today.

THE SCIENTIFIC DATING OF THE MAHABHARAT and RAMAYANA WAR (16th OCTOBER 5562 B.C.)

(by Gyandotcom )

SOME FACTS.

MAHABHARAT, RAMAYAN ARE NOT MYTHOLOGY BUT HISTORY OF VEDIC PEOPLE, I.E. INDIANS.

THE THEORY OF ARYAN INVASION IS NOT TRUE. VEDIC CULTURE EVOLVED IN INDIA. THE THEORY WAS PROPAGATED BY BRITISH HISTORIANS TO SHOW INDIANS THAT THEY ARE INFERIOR TRIBES.

HINDU KINGS ( SOUTH INDIA) RULED OCEANS IN ALL THREE DIRECTIONS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS ( EVEN DURING EARLY STAGES OF MUSLIM INVASIONS ON NORTH INDIA ). THEY USED TO CALL THEMSELVES AS “TRISAMUDRESHWAR” MEANING, THE ONE WHO RULES THREE OCEANS. THEY RULED ISLANDS LIKE “MARICHASYA” (TODAY’S MAURITIUS) to JAVA, SUMATRA, INDONESIA. (THAT’S WHY THESE CULTURES HAVE STORIES OF RAMAYAN IN IT).

An example is the so called “Taj Mahal”. This was a monument built somewhere in 12th century B.C. by some Hindu king. After death of Mumtaj-Ul-Zamani, wife of Mughal emperor Shahajehan, Shahajehan took this palace from a king Mansing of Jaipur and converted this palace in to Today’s Taj-Mahal just by changing Hindu imprints to Holy Quran scripts.
Even in official history of Mughal (“Badshahnama”), Shahajehan has no where said that Taj Mahal was built in his tenure. It was a palace called Tejo Mahalay ( a Sanskrit name).
Read my Article on Tajmahal

Is Tajmahal Really Built by Shahjahan. Gyandotcom Revealed. read the post in gyandotcom

The Mahabharat has exercised a continuous and pervasive influence on the INDIAn mind for millennia. The Mahabharat, originally written by Sage Ved Vyas in Sanskrit, has been translated and adapted into numerous languages and has been set to a variety of interpretations. Dating back to “remote antiquity”, it is still a living force in the life of the INDIAn masses.

Incidentally, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of challenge and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have maintained that the events described in the ancient Sanskrit texts are imaginary and subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitious tale of a war fought between two rivalries. Starting from the so- called Aryan invasion into Bharat, the current Bharatiya chronology starts from the compilation of the Rigved in 1200 B.C., then come other Ved’s, Mahaveer Jain is born, then Gautam Buddha lives around 585 B.C. and the rest follows. In the meantime, the Brahmanas, Samhitas, Puranas, etc. are written and the thought contained therein is
well-absorbed among the Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit in ? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of INDIAn histography, the date of the Mahabharat (the mythical story!) ranges between 1000 B.C. to 300 B.C. Sanskrit epics were academically attacked occasionally in an attempt to disprove the authenticity of the annals noted therein. For example, the European Indologiest Maxmuller, tried the interpret the astronomical evidences to prove that the observations recorded in the history.

16 Comments

    • Ragesh
    • Posted June 26, 2008 at 11:48 am
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    Hi Mr. Rohith,

    I went through ur article and its quiet interesting. I could gain a lot of knowldege. After reading it some doubts arised in my mind. please help me to clarify it.
    1. It has been said that Ramsethu bridge was built around 1,750,000 yrs ago. But according to Valmiki and other experts Rama’s birth was around 7300BC. That means Rama was existed within 10000 yrs from now. Then How can we get in to a conclusion that Ramasethu bridge was built under the supervision of Rama. I hope you will help me to clarify my doubts. I am much interested to hear it.

    Ragesh

    • Arul
    • Posted July 28, 2008 at 4:33 pm
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    Hi Rohith,
    Its nice to know the details, however I have another doubt other than what Ragesh had.

    Rama is great person and I believe He whould have knowledge of where Lanka is presnet and how to reach there. and if he had power to build a bridge, why did he take a route the circumvent the major rivers of india( Narmada, Mahanathi, Krishna & Kaveri)? he could have crossed them and traveled much flat territory then traveling along the Ghats?
    Any way thanks for the details.

    • Bhuvdeep
    • Posted August 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm
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    Hi All,
    With reference to the above articles, Sri. P.V. Vartak has concluded the date of birth of Sri Rama is 4th Dec. 7323 BC, while Sri. Pushkar Bhatnagar concludes 10th January 5114 BC through his planetarium software. Some difference in the dates though both the researchers have used the same Valmiki Ramayana. But still, it does show that Ramayanic Era was not earlier than 4000 BC at the latest, thats less than 10000 yrs from the present day.
    Wrt the Bridge discovered by NASA, it claims to have been manmade. But says its 1750000 yrs old. Well, probably the stones and trees and other materials used to build the bridge are that old, not the bridge itself.
    Acc. to Sri.Bhatnagar – Suppose you build your house with stones which are thousands of years old, does your house also become thousands of years old? Answer is a clear ‘No’.
    So I would probably take this consideration and still believe the bridge to be built under supervision of Sri Rama.
    Also, wrt Arul’s question of why Sri Rama would take such a route, this is my view – Sri Rama was definitely an Avataara Purusha, but never claimed himself to be so. He always saw himself as a human being. Hence he was dependent on the information provided by others like Jatayu, Kabandha and Shabari. And the route which they directed was entirely a land route. And since it was only Rama and Lakshmana searching for Sita till they meet Sugriva, it makes more sense for them to take the land route. And well, Rama did not have the power to build the bridge. It was Nala and Neela in Sugriva’s army who had the power to build it.
    Thnx!

    • Unknown
    • Posted September 6, 2008 at 6:36 pm
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    Hi, everybody,
    there is no deniel for the exsistance of great persons like krishna or Ram but i think the whole excercise of this article is to prove that there was no aryan invasion. to put all the blame on britishers for all evil thing in india. We should not ignore the fact that all these krishan, ram etc we blacks, the local residents of india while aryan were whites of india , who do not al all respect blacks of india. there is an evert lasting discrimination of blacks and whites in india. and the clever aryan followers have intermingled all stories to prove that they are indian while the fact remained that they cam from outsides. People my say that I am creating stories, but the whole aspect of racial abuse and discriminations has never been addressed in india.

    • siddharth singh
    • Posted September 9, 2008 at 11:04 am
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    The original Rama setu , imprinted in the minds of our ancestors was the Baring Bridge, connecting Asia with Americas during the last ice age.

    The desription of the bridge described in the texts which are current is actually a hidden allusion to the half a mile long mole constucted by Alexander for attacking the island cum hill town of Tyre in Lebenon.

    Some people wanted us to forget our real origins and also sow the seeds of strife and unscientific temperament.

    I am a raghuvanshi researching on the origins of Rama for last 40 years.

    • amar
    • Posted November 5, 2008 at 10:43 am
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    (siddharth singh)i dint understand what u r trying to say sidharth?are you suggesting that the ram setu isnt real?and r u saying that the whole story of the ram setu been built for war against ravana is just derived from exploits of alexander the great??
    i might have goten it wrong and misunderstood,since all of us know that alexander,though a great man,was just a man while Shree ram was god himself.and besides both the bridge and our ancient texts date several centuries and milleniums before the advent of alexander and even before americas were discovered.
    stop showing disbelief in your heritage my friends,you must accept it now,hinduism is the only true religion,dating back to when gods walked on the face of this earth.other old religions have seized to exist now and have been taken over by newer religions made by humans,not gods.
    be proud to be a hindu,and more importantly,be proud to be an indian.and beware,kalyug is ending very soon.only the believer and good at heart will survive.
    pray for a united india.
    amar

    • Milin
    • Posted November 11, 2008 at 1:28 am
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    Friends,

    I believe we should stop trying to prove our religion & start following it.
    Ramayan might be story or event, Shree Ram may be hero or human, at the end of the day, lessons hidden in Ramayan are much more important than its existence.
    If Ramayan is true, cant WE be like Shree Ram?? If it isn’t, wont you like someone like Shree Ram??
    Why did you change your hairstyle when Abhishek Bachhan started putting hairband in his hair? Does his movie depict reality? Then why cant you follow Shree Ram if Ramayan is a story? If you are ready to follow Shree Ram, why do you want to know if Ramayan is story or event? You ready to agree what Dan Brown says in Da Vinci Code, then why dont you agree to what Maharishi Valmiki says in his Ramayan?
    Hero or human, I love Shree Ram. If we stop arguing about existence of them & start following them, I guess, we can make earth a better place to live.
    Even in this article I smell some ego (….hinduism is the only true religion…. in Mr. Amar’s comment). NO..NO..NO.
    Absolute “NO”.

    Humanity is the only true religion.

    Please help yourself by following some basic rules of life.

    • deewani
    • Posted March 20, 2009 at 12:55 pm
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    very well put milin! I myself believe Ram existed, I do not know if he was a god or not, I simply do not understand what God is, but I believe that but humans with great values like Ram are worthy of being worshiped.
    For those who get shocked by my GOD comment : I think those ideal humans from past have been quoted as “god”. I believe gods are humans and humans are god. Humans made god.

    • rakesh jha
    • Posted March 24, 2009 at 9:30 pm
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    according to one of your article kalyug has been started 5100 years ago. and dwapar yug is of 8,64,000 years. then tretayug must be 869100 years ago i.e.867100 b.c. but in above article all dates are given between 7323 b.c. to 7272 b.c.
    so could please explain this.

    • Praveen Kumar S R
    • Posted March 27, 2009 at 3:42 am
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    Just an clarification, I am able to quote sources exactly, but scientific dating done (non-speculative methods) reveals that present day humans are only 70,000 years old. Language in oral form was developed from 15000 years to 10000 years back, and in written form has been in existence only some 7000 to 10000 years back. So seeing people discuss sometime back like 8,64,000 years looks disturbing. . . I understand people feel that the vedas has to be true the stories had to be true, as much as we want this to be true, it is important to see everything in a non-biased light of events.

    • Praveen Kumar S R
    • Posted March 27, 2009 at 3:50 am
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    The Ayodhya was renamed so, during the Gupta period. I don’t know what it was called before. It was a golden period at that time. So is it because of this he renamed the city as Ayodhya we do not know. Even Mahatma Gandhi in one of his speeches wishes that reign of Ayodhya (considered the golden period, under Shri Ram’s rule) come again. So as such, there is still a speculation if the present Ayodhya is the true Ayodhya. Any comments on this ?

    • m.ramakrishna rao
    • Posted March 28, 2009 at 9:08 pm
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    in the valmiki ramayan tha vanara king told in south side serch to sita in valmiki not mention to simhala only mention lanka nagara [pattanam] in that period simlhalam is not lanka after that changes to enviranmental and atmosphere sea level increge in that posion varaghi and lanka this two is move that periode is treta yuga sandhyamsha kala and dawpara yuga sandhya kalam in that time lana and sethu is move

    • m.ramakrishna rao
    • Posted March 28, 2009 at 9:22 pm
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    i am also reserach in valmiki ramayan science 3 years and i am also wright sri rama ramyanam last 15 years back but continue prosess now this year also . some ramayanas seen those ramayanas and valmiki ramayan is also defferent . lanka and srilanka intreta yuga periode two ara defferent but now kali yuga periode lanka melt in simhalam and sethu is now seen danushkodi

    • Vipul Rafukiya
    • Posted May 7, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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    In my view Ramayan is true history because if ramayan is writen before 2000BC then a comman man who is writing the Apic will be not aware about the land beyond the sea which was known as lank and there was a king name Ravana and their that person could not go by walking getting infomation about the palaces in shrilanka which currently exisist and still the people of shri lank are worshiping lord Ravana the place mationd in ramayan are still in exist in India as well as in Shrilanka and bigest proof Ramsetu which is miracle and sill exsist which is connect India to Shrilank. If you go to shrilanka you can see a mountain whict has tree and plant which are similler to Himalians range and which are not found anywer in shrilanka only that mountain has that plants it is mentiond in ramayana about a mountain which hanuman has brought from Himalyas to save Laxmana which contain sanjeevni which seems to be a medicine which gives life.
    there are planty of proofs which proofs that it was trough the living legends the people who can fly by using scince.

  1. Such verifications and datings are for retired people.

    Young guys, get back to work! Work Hard, Work Smart. Earn Money. Spread Good will. Show the western guys, where we come from.

    Show the britishers and americans, they’re messing with the wrong guys.

    • Brijesh
    • Posted June 5, 2009 at 2:13 am
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    Hi Rohit,

    I am quite impressed with the your research but have some doubts

    “You describe in the article “The truth Behind Ramayana (New Research Update) Must Read” as follows
    So even after assuming a lower range of 35 years, one can say that Rama existed atleast 2000 years before Krishna. So Rama existed latest in 5100 BC and earliest in 7500 BC. (Dr. P. V. Vartak has calculated the birth date of Rama as 4th Dec 7323 BC.)”

    So this means RAM was born nearly in 7323 BC while Krishna was born around 5000 B.C. But in another article “The Maha Yug SatYug,TretaYug,Dwapar Yug,KalYug. The Reality” of yours, you have described the Hindu YUG’s as follows :

    Satya (or Krita) Yuga: 24,195 human years.
    Treta Yuga: 18,146 human years.
    Dvapara Yuga: 12,097 human years.
    Kali Yuga: 6,048,72 human years.

    Now since RAM was born in between 6000-7000 B.C in Treta Yuga & Krishna was born around 4000-5000 BC in Dvapar Yuga then each yuga years been calculated with respect to Kaliyuga mainfold i.e dvapara twice kaliyug, treta thrice as kaliyug is wrong because either Krishna was born much later than RAM in dvapara yug so tha kaliyug is has just finshed 5000 years as you described or else if krishna was born with 2000-300 years after RAM was born then the calculation on base of Kali yug as multiple is wrong.

    Please clarify i am much interested to know your stand

    Regards
    Brijesh